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<p></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 05:55, 30 March 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>==Was Hanuman ji a Dalit?==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>==Was Hanuman ji a Dalit?==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Nowhere in Valmiki’s'' Ramayan'' or other traditional Ramayans has the word Dalit been used to describe a caste or hereditary class of people. 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The word das has sometimes been used in ancient texts for what, today, is known as the Dalit community. Therefore, it is argued, Hanuman ji was a Dalit.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>i) Hanuman called himself a dâs(daas: servant, slave) of Sri Ram. The word das has sometimes been used in ancient texts for what, today, is known as the Dalit community. Therefore, it is argued, Hanuman ji was a Dalit.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>By that logic, Goswami Tulasi Das (who, beyond doubt was a Brahmin) and all saints and poets who used the pen name ‘Das’ and defined themselves as the servants of one deity or another would also be Dalits. Muslims name their children Ghulam (slave of) Muhammad/ Ali/ Hussain. Christians call themselves Servants of Jesus. Sikhs are Gur Sevaks. 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This self-abasement is a sign of devotion and not subaltern-caste status. &#160;</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[[File: Hanuman ji 1a.jpg|The Panch-mukhi (five-headed) Hanuman ji &lt;br/&gt;The five heads, left to right, are: Hâya-greev; Garud; Vânar; Nara-simh; and Varâh &lt;br/&gt; The order of the five heads varies in different paintings and idols but Vânar is always in the centre. |frame|500px]] </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>ii) According to a fake anecdote, on one occasion when Sri Ram walked towards him with extended hands, Hanuman ji stepped back and did not let Sri Ram touch him. 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It is argued that he did so because he felt that it would be improper for the upper-caste Sri Ram to touch a subaltern-like himself.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 18:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 19:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Contrariwise, during their first meeting itself, once Hanuman ji divined that Sri Ram was “Prabhu” (God) he fell at the Lord’s feet. 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However, on many occasions, Hanuman ji ventured out of Kishkiñdhâ dressed like a Brahmin, e.g. when he first met Sri Ram. The Filipino ''Hikâyat Sarî Râm'' says that when Hanumânjî first met Sîtâ he was dressed as an old Brâhmin. When he first met Vibhîshan, too, it was as a Brâhmin. When Ravan started doing badly in the war against Sri Ram, he decided to organise a yagya. The ''Argal Stotr''and the ''Âdhyâtm Râmâyan'' tell us that Hanumânjî joined this prayer as a Brahmin in order to subvert it and turn it around. &#160;</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>b) The Valmiki ''Ramayan'' does not mention Hanuman ji’s caste or the existence of caste among the Vanars. However, on many occasions, Hanuman ji ventured out of Kishkiñdhâ dressed like a Brahmin, e.g. when he first met Sri Ram. The Filipino ''Hikâyat Sarî Râm'' says that when Hanumânjî first met Sîtâ he was dressed as an old Brâhmin. 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<p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Were the Vanars tribals?</span></span></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 17:48, 29 March 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 104:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 104:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Theories attempt to explain the association between Hanuman ji and the underprivileged castes. One such theory suggests that Hanuman ji belonged to a subaltern caste because he was born a monkey. 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<p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">2018: Renewed interest in Hanuman ji&#039;s caste</span></span></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 17:30, 29 March 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 154:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 154:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Uttar Pradesh chief minister Yogi Adityanath on [November 28, 2018] claimed that the Hindu deity Hanuman belonged to the Dalit and tribal communities during his political rally in Rajasthan.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Uttar Pradesh chief minister Yogi Adityanath on [November 28, 2018] claimed that the Hindu deity Hanuman belonged to the Dalit and tribal communities during his political rally in Rajasthan.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Adityanath…was campaigning in the Malpura constituency. 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<p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Why the sudden interest in Hanuman ji?</span></span></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 17:28, 29 March 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 100:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 100:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Furthermore, the Krittivas Ramayan portrays Hanuman ji as a fierce warrior, capable of defeating powerful demons and protecting Lord Ram's army. 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<p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">2018: Renewed interest in Hanuman ji&#039;s caste</span></span></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 17:01, 29 March 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 126:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 126:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>*</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><del style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Theories that attempt to explain the association between Hanuman ji and the lower caste. 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<p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Was Hanuman ji a Dalit?</span></span></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 17:00, 29 March 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Hanuman ji painting</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Hanuman ji painting</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>==Was Hanuman ji a Dalit?==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>==Was Hanuman ji a Dalit?==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Nowhere in Valmiki’s'' Ramayan'' or other traditional <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Ramayanshas </del>the word Dalit been used to describe a caste or hereditary class of people. 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<p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Hanuman ji’s caste</span></span></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 16:58, 29 March 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>=Hanuman ji’s caste=</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>=Hanuman ji’s caste=</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[File: Hanuman <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">jipainting</del>.jpg|Hanumanji |frame|500px]] &#160;</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[File: Hanuman <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">jipainting1</ins>.jpg|Hanumanji |frame|500px]] &#160;</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Hanuman ji painting</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Hanuman ji painting</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>==Was Hanuman ji a Dalit?==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>==Was Hanuman ji a Dalit?==</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 122:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 122:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>'''Counter argument: '''&#160; Brahmins cannot be servants of other castes. 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<p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Was Hanuman ji a Dalit?</span></span></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 16:57, 29 March 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>Nowhere in Valmiki’s'' Ramayan'' or other traditional Ramayanshas the word Dalit been used to describe a caste or hereditary class of people. 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<p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Was Hanuman ji Kshatriya?</span></span></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 16:56, 29 March 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 65:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 65:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>HANUMAN JI]]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>HANUMAN JI]]</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>=Was Hanuman ji Kshatriya?= &#160;</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">=</ins>=Was Hanuman ji Kshatriya?<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">=</ins>=</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>One of the main arguments for Hanuman ji's Kshatriya identity is based on his association with Lord Ram, who is considered a Kshatriya prince. 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<p>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Why the sudden interest in Hanuman ji?</span></span></p> <table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <col class='diff-marker' /> <col class='diff-content' /> <tr valign='top'> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black;">Revision as of 16:55, 29 March 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 64:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 64:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[Category:Religion|HHANUMAN JIHANUMAN JI</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>[[Category:Religion|HHANUMAN JIHANUMAN JI</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>HANUMAN JI]]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>&#160;</td><td style="background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>HANUMAN JI]]</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">=Was Hanuman ji Kshatriya?= </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2">&#160;</td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">One of the main arguments for Hanuman ji's Kshatriya identity is based on his association with Lord Ram, who is considered a Kshatriya prince. 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